Curse

margretli · Aug 15, 2007, 08:26 PM // 20:26

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Dear A.Net, make it so I can't cheat because I certainly don't have the willpower not to.

@OP
So... did you cheat? This is just funny, "please stop making cars, because I don't have the willpower not to run over people"

Drop of Fear · Aug 15, 2007, 08:27 PM // 20:27

omg another rant. JUST GO WHO CARES IF U QUIT?

Tijger · Aug 15, 2007, 08:27 PM // 20:27

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Originally Posted by ibex333

Wow.. so much flame... *most of it because people don't even bother to read what I wrote*

It's funny how everyone who replied is completely blind to the negative effects the modding has on the game. If you even took one minute to really THINK about it instead of flaming me, you might have understood what I'm saying.

I havent seen any effect however, there is one thing I will agree with.

I do believe that Anet shouldnt have allowed it, not because it gives any advantage currently, it doesnt, but because its a sliding scale. You either allow mods or you dont but I dont agree with saying "some mods are ok".

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How can a modder interrupt faster or heal better? Change the gfx of the skill to say INTERRUPT ME with big red letters.. Put markers on the health bar for 50% 75% 90%. Make skins brighter.. Do I need to go on and on? If you choose to remain blind to this, there's no point for me to even bother explaining.

Thats undoable without the source code, just having access to the textures does not allow you to do so plus without very very detailed knowledge of how the textures are applied, constructed and used by the game itself such things as you describe may be possible ultimately but it would probably take years to accomplish.

Even so, all advantage would be in PvP which you say you're not interested in anyway.

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People are talking about MINIMAL effect? What minimal effect? The effect is massive. I cant see how the game will recover from the harm that was done any time soon. The economy is destroyed. This game is like Diablo2 now. That's the reason why I quit Diablo2 after playing it for almost 6 years. At least I could sell my account there without anyone telling me if I can do that or not. Blizz simply didn't care. (probably because they knew and admitted to the fact that their game has gone to hell) I think it's only fair that I'm allowed to get my money back if I'm not really getting what I ORIGINALLY paid for.

The economy is just fine, the highest end item in the game has lost some value, thats all.

As for getting what you originally paid for, well, thats a rather weird request, I dont know when you bought the game but I know when I bought it there was no SF, there were no Battle Isles and we can make that list much, much longer.

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One has to be completely brain dead to pay more than 1k for anything these days. Whatever you are buying.. it might have been duped.. 250 diamonds? - duped. Perfect crystalline - duped. 1000 ecto? - might have been duped too...

Uh yes...and who cares? 0.01% of players at most. I havent paid more then 1K for almost anything, in fact I'll gladly sell almost anything if people want to buy an overpriced skin or item because they want to look kewl.

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If I only wanted to PvP and juggle my skills around to beat my opponent, I could have played Magic the Gathering. I chose GW because it used to offer so much more. That is no longer the case.

It still does but hey, YMMV.

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Heh... there are thousands of armbraces in people's hands, and people are talking about MINIMAL effect...

Got any proof of that? Even if that was the case, so what? Does it matter to playing the game? Nope, not one iota, the worst side effect of that might be a drop in price on AoT's and more Torment items around. Well, that sure breaks the game, a rare skin being not so rare anymore!

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Well ask yourself why you even took that journey in the first place... Either way, even if it is about the journey, which it probably is, even that factor is now gone. Why take the journey when you can have whatever you want instantly now?

Dude, its not about the destination, its about the journey and I never made the journey with the idea I'd get some kind of l33t weapon skin at the end of it. Its a game, we play it for fun. If you dont then its time to quit.

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Who would lift weights if they could instantly have muscles all over their body? Who would work if money was falling from the sky? Who would strive for anything if it was already there in their hands?

Uh...I would, well, not lift weights obviously, but I do what I enjoy and I enjoy playing GW. I play for the fun, the challenge, the challenge doesnt diminish because I have a torment item or because I want one...in fact aside from some pixels on the screen that torment items costing 3-400K does the same damage as my 110gp self modded item.

But hey, my pen1s is big enough rl, I dont need an epeen to feel secure

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Yes that is EXACTLY what I will do. That's the only thing I can do. Except for ranting off course.

Well, too bad, I think its sad you leave for such a reason but to each his own. Good luck in your next game.

Nekretaal · Aug 15, 2007, 08:35 PM // 20:35

To the OP: If you are tired about playing GW, quit.

I moved on a while back, and I'm very happy that i did. I found a new game to play (Sword of the New World), and I will not have to pay anet full price to get a expansion that, from all indications, appears to just be a couple of new maps.

Dont expect sympathy from people on message boards, because you will not get it. Your complaints will properly be interpreted as whining.

I respond to this thread only to make the following points:

(1) Duping is something that affects the game, gameplay, and the community. Dont pretend otherwise. People will quit over this. When you consider that many farming nerfs, 3.7k ectos, and loot scaling probably resulted from anet's attacking farmers when the problem was Duping... everybody feels the negative effects of duping, and people probably have quit over this.

(2) Gw's PvE endgame, such that it is, is about being showy. That's all that there is: nothing else to do but grind the same mobs so you can look good. Client side Moding does not change that you cannot be a showoff to others without the actual items, but you can change the characters yourself. Why work for stuff when you can create it for free? With high-end GW items having little in-game benefits, its fair to say that people might complain about this.

margretli · Aug 15, 2007, 08:35 PM // 20:35

By reading all of this, one has to wonder what did the OP played GW for in the first place? Just curious.

Sujoy · Aug 15, 2007, 08:46 PM // 20:46

j00 pHail in life and GW

and it's "À chacun son goût"

billypowergamer · Aug 15, 2007, 08:49 PM // 20:49

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Originally Posted by TreeDude

The duping was a disappointment. I think that does have some impact on the game. I used to play Phantasy Star online a lot and duping is what turned me off from it. It was pretty easy to do and it made the game boring after a while.

PSO is a perfect example of what happens if things like duping go unchecked. It pretty much destroyed the online part of the game, money had no value, and trading was almost pointless except for those very few items that hadn't been mass duped at the time(which were only of interest to people that wanted one of every item in the game). The worst part about the whole thing is that Sega pretty much turned their backs on the game and still expected everyone to pay monthly to play. (This was on gamecube btw)

So, considering what could have happened, I think this "Massive Impact" that the OP is talking about, is about the equivalent of a drop in a bucket of water. Sure it caused some ripples, but the bucket is still there.

Personally, I think Anet handled the whole thing pretty well, and the OP doesn't know what he's talking about.

Loviatar · Aug 15, 2007, 08:56 PM // 20:56

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Originally Posted by Nekretaal

To the OP: If you are tired about playing GW, quit.

I moved on a while back, and I'm very happy that i did.

then post on their official game forums unless the game sucks (some have said it really sucks) so badly it is a relief to return here to whine some more as a break.

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I respond to this thread only to make the following points:

(1) Duping is something that affects the game, gameplay, and the community. Dont pretend otherwise. People will quit over this. When you consider that many farming nerfs, 3.7k ectos, and loot scaling probably resulted from anet's attacking farmers when the problem was Duping... everybody feels the negative effects of duping, and people probably have quit over this.

people have quit from the start over anything so BFD on a few top end traders quiting

most of those so called *farming nerfs * were there before reconnects and obviously (except to a moron) before duping so how are you managing to blame duping for prior to reconnect events?

Zinger314 · Aug 15, 2007, 08:57 PM // 20:57

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Originally Posted by billypowergamer

PSO is a perfect example of what happens if things like duping go unchecked. It pretty much destroyed the online part of the game, money had no value, and trading was almost pointless except for those very few items that hadn't been mass duped at the time(which were only of interest to people that wanted one of every item in the game). The worst part about the whole thing is that Sega pretty much turned their backs on the game and still expected everyone to pay monthly to play. (This was on gamecube btw)

That was a completely different story. The GameCube version of PSO couldn't support patches preventing duping. Ergo, it couldn't be fixed. (The Duping Glitch was fixed on the Xbox PSO, which had a hard drive to store patches.)

ibex333 · Aug 15, 2007, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by Nekretaal

To the OP: If you are tired about playing GW, quit.

I moved on a while back, and I'm very happy that i did. I found a new game to play (Sword of the New World), and I will not have to pay anet full price to get a expansion that, from all indications, appears to just be a couple of new maps.

Dont expect sympathy from people on message boards, because you will not get it. Your complaints will properly be interpreted as whining.

Thank you. Those are good points. I really should learn a lesson from all this instead of trying to argue with people. I'm just wasting my breath. I promise that this is my last post in this topic.

Oblivion99 · Aug 15, 2007, 09:16 PM // 21:16

well...i rlly dont know you ibex, but ive seen you around forums in past. Let me just bring up this one point.
Whether you like GW still now or not, seeing as you have been on guru since Jun 05 and probs a player since b4 then, this game has satisfied your gaming fix for long enough and should be well worth it. I know that most games i buy last me maybe 1 month tops b4 i pretty much stop playing, and they usually cost 60 bucks each. If you wanna quit, then do so, come back later or never come back at all, but continuing to play 1 game for over 2 years makes it worth the price you paid, no doubt. Everyone has to quit a game eventually, its up to you when to decide its your turn.

Darksun · Aug 15, 2007, 09:22 PM // 21:22

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

This has been discussed before and the effects are very minimal.

-Placing percentage marks SHOULD be on every client. Its AWESOME. Anet needs to add this in their new update soon.
-The game tells you which skills need interruption. They already have distinct skill icons and activation sounds and effects.
-If you pvp and cant tell a monk from an ele....theres something wrong with you.

No amount of texture editing is gonna make you a good player.

No one is stopping you from doing those things if you feel you need it. Since everyone is equal in the fact that Anet is indifferent to them modding, ITS NOT IMBALANCED.

MACROS or BOTTING SCRIPTS are what are not allowed because of they give you instant reaction and lessen the work required by the player.

This is significantly different from redrawing your armor texture to be a color you cant dye.

Lyra Nailed right on the head. The duping has caused very minor damage. Gaile explained this already. And the modding is hardly helpful. Interrupting doesn't work best in reaction, but prediction.

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Originally Posted by Nekretaal

I moved on a while back, and I'm very happy that i did. I found a new game to play (Sword of the New World), and I will not have to pay anet full price to get a expansion that, from all indications, appears to just be a couple of new maps.

You'll just keep paying a fee.
SotNW, ugh.. Talk about vanilla. Game is so meh...

Tijger · Aug 15, 2007, 09:22 PM // 21:22

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then post on their official game forums unless the game sucks (some have said it really sucks) so badly it is a relief to return here to whine some more as a break.

IGN rates it at 6.5 with gameplay at 4.0. 'Nuff said.

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people have quit from the start over anything so BFD on a few top end traders quiting

most of those so called *farming nerfs * were there before reconnects and obviously (except to a moron) before duping so how are you managing to blame duping for prior to reconnect events?

Indeed, every change to GW has led to x topics from people who would quit if they didnt get x or y back.
2 years on GW is alive and well and still selling quite a few copies judging from NCSoft's quarterly statement.

Some day GW will be dead, I'm sure, but in terms of value for money, well, I have never had any game that lasted me over 2500 hours before. I'll stop playing it one day as well but I'm sure it wont be over the price of armbraces, the economy or a farming nerf. I'll stop because I've done everything I've ever wanted to do or accomplish and all my friends have quit as well.

dpcash · Aug 15, 2007, 09:23 PM // 21:23

Every few weeks a post like this comes out.

I hate GW!

I hate ANet!

If ANet doesn't do what I suggest I'll quit!

I play GW everyday... for hours!

I pre-ordered GW-EN.

What!!!!!!!!

I wonder why?

Get-A-Life!

Thanks for noticing me...

Phaern Majes · Aug 15, 2007, 09:23 PM // 21:23

I....can't.....stop.....laughing.......

Dark Dragon · Aug 15, 2007, 09:44 PM // 21:44

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Originally Posted by ibex333

Bullcrap. waht proof do you have of this?

Didn't you see all the thread's about people who where "innocently" banned??

Dark

edit: fix quote

SerenitySilverstar · Aug 15, 2007, 09:50 PM // 21:50

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ShadowsRequiem · Aug 15, 2007, 09:56 PM // 21:56

I'd agree with the duping thing, that was some really serious stuff that could have messed up the game even more then it could have. I think the players and anet handled it pretty well, which saved a lot of crap that could have went down. Sure some people made money of it, but who cares.

Try taking a break from Guildwars. I do it frequently, try not to play or just log in once every few days for a lil while. Do different stuff, then when you come back after a week or two its not to bad. Though I do stuff like pvp and ab, dunno what you do, but ab is always fresh when played with lots of different characters.

Though buying a game from the start thats market more towards equal play was a bad choice on your part. Maybe you should play a game where you have to grind for everything, levels decent weapons, etc..

MSecorsky · Aug 15, 2007, 10:07 PM // 22:07

These are the moments in life when I ponder the feasibility of implementing some sort of testing requirements before allowing people to breed...

makosi · Aug 15, 2007, 10:10 PM // 22:10

Even in people drop out of Guild Wars in search of other adventures, it will hardly change the game for me.

Killing Shiro will still make me happy, Eternal Grove will still make me cry, getting an ecto will give me a buzz, Alesia still won't heal, Koss won't rage-quit, people will still say 'noob' and mending will still suck.

The point is that many things about the game will change but many more will stay the same.

Ups and downs happen but the game is only dead when you believe it's dead (or the servers are switches off).

Guild Wars is a product which has followed the same product life-cycle as most products and it may well be in decline. It's normality and not a major concern. Anet have predicted than and are working on GW:2 already in preparation.